I expect your educated guess is as good as mine, but ISTM you spend 20-25 hours preparing a sermon if youve not much else to do. think of how useful the church facility could be to the community instead of sitting closed up 96% of the week, it could be the locale for after-school tutoring, teaching english, teaching vocational skills, job counseling, a place for performing arts, plays, concerts, meals served to homeless people. David may be a great speaker, but hes not a good people person in my opinion. The building which was on the tax rolls is now removed causing a decrease in the tax base and higher taxes for others. We are there as a BODY to ask what can we do to GLORIFY GOD?. The man boy who took over my former church immediately had his title changed to lead pastor. And yet, in spite of all that, that man led them in circles for forty years until everyone whod started on the journey was dead and desiccating in the desertand even that humble man himself blew it and died without entering the Promised Land. If he recognizes a familiar face, he has a short chat. But who else is going to feature that boring hallway that nobody ever uses? According to SBC This Week, he has all sorts of arrangements so he can *serve* his family. But I could be mis-understanding you. His sermon on Acts opened our eyes when he introduced some social justice themes in his sermon that had literally nothing to do with the text. It is a very odd collection of characters. Hes only been at the IMB for 3 years I didnt know it could be a part-time job. Definitions are all changing under our feet (the boundary markers are being moved). What does any of this have to do with God? And the person made the lecture about as long to read as David Platt like talking head sermon. David Platt to Be a Teaching PastorIs it a Bridge Too Far for the IMB President? its high time for change. A spiritual birth which transforms someone into a true Christian, a saint, by the activity of the Holy Spirit. See Matthew 3:11; John 3:3-8; 7:39; 14:17; 20:22; Acts 2:38; Romans 8:2-26; 14:17; 1 Corinthians 2:10-12; 3:16; 6:11-19; 12:13; 2 Corinthians 3:3; 17-18; Galatians 3:2-5, 14; 4:6; Ephesians 1:13; 3:16; 4:30; 5:18; Philippians 2:1; 1 Thessalonians 4:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 1:14; Titus 3:5; Hebrews 6:4; 1 Peter 1:2,22; 1 John 3:24; 4:13; Jude 1:20. The ironic thing is that the 9Marx pastor in the town of Fujairah (a smaller town on the east coast of the UAE) wrote an article that was published on the 9Marx website that was bemoaning the fact that there are too many missionaries. Arrrgh. I remember a quote from Rick Warrens The Purpose-Driven Church in which he describes how often he hears pulpit professionals tell him, I just love to preach! Over the coming months, while Dr. Platt serves as teaching pastor for McLean Bible Church, the trustees of the International Mission Board will evaluate Dr. Platts fulfillment of his responsibilities as IMB president. A lot of these groups are, to my mind, strongly analogous to the none/done population. The mission of God, if I may use that term, is the salvation of the world, not just the salvation of me and mine. Day-to-day leaders of the church living and working shoulder-to-shoulder with all the one anothers? Bridget, In a 35 minute sermon, how much time would you think was spent either reading from the Bible or explaining with those versus meant? Blogs. @ Gram3: In recent years we have made great strides in add ministry; that is, administration. This leaves the door wide open for our congregation to see areas of leadership where they are needed, and to respond accordingly.". Part of it is because Ive done this job for over a decade. I hate that. Took me six months before my stamina came back and over a year before my gut felt normal again. Free Ride: Please, No Explanations Inside The MBC Church. I dont think this is the only issue, but I think it is one. olks, find a church in which you have a real pastor, not a talking head who offers nothing different than a podcast Find a pastor who knows your names and will come and sit with you when you are in the hospital. I think I now have the answer. So far they havent bothered us too much about the whole covenant signing thing, but Im concerned Whats going to happen when the new church covenant to replace the old (two churches are merging) comes in, and the push comes to get everyone to sign the new one? The big boys all use research services to do the heavy lifting. @ AnonInNC: Here is a cautious, rather underwhelming, statement from the trustees att the IMB: Our president, Dr. David Platt, has expressed a deep sense of calling to serve as teaching pastor of McLean Bible Church while also continuing to lead the International Mission Board, Dilbeck said. He is just a big idea guy. People want to belong, Sneak-Peek: R U Representing Christ, Perhaps?. Most pastor positions are salaried. We should consider what ought to be on the table in the tabernacle. On August 27, 2014, Platt spoke with Baptist media representatives in a telephone press conference: Brandon Pickett of Virginia asked Platt about taking full-time role as the president of the IMB and transitioning out as a pastor., Im going to preach at Brook Hills for the next three Sundays.after I finish preaching at Brook Hills.my full energies will shift to full-on IMB.Sept. (The Marriott or Hilton, I cant recall which) Dave Furman, pastor at Redeemer Church of Dubai (the sponsor of the event) went along with the charade and was one of several who were filmed with their faces blackened to hide their identity as they were interviewed. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: For me lately, my daughter and I have been extremely humbled by our circumstances. Can someone explain to me how you can spend 20-25 hours a week preparing a sermon? Platt, unfortunately, was merely a podcast in person. Im not sure what title is appropriate for the job hell do there (Lecturer? Being hired to spend your week writing sermons and you lie about it and let someone else write them. Therefore, the playing field needed to be levelized by having the church comply with certain business ordinances. Bet it was said with a disarming smile. He has spent some of those weeks off preaching at Advance conferences. I think its all bogus. With a seminary degree???? For the life of me Ive never understood, either, why we think we need someone to hold our hands when someone dies besides the Body of Christ. As a former member of Brook Hills where David was once my pastor, I am concerned about this. And like I said, making the pulpit and the weekly sermon the center of our spiritual lives seems odd to me. You cant have it both ways and these special privileges may prove to be a future rationalization for govern, And the churches want to remain tax exempt, but they certainly do want to benefit from the taxes others pay in: Meeting in homes instead of large church buildings? Probably never will. Platt is clearly NOT a pastor. In oterh words, find a real church. stroke. I hate all this back room deception and gaming. Pardon me while go rip off another sheet of tin foil! @Richard- My family also attends (Soon to be attended) MBC and feel the exact opposite. @ Hope: They are also quite able to live in the tension where not everyone is miraculously healed. David said, Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies. In the tabernacle was a table with showbread and a candlestick. It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. The organizers can gain favor with the Gospel Glitterati by inviting them to the conference? We are in a church in which the pastors do show love and humility. Why do we persist, neurotically supporting this model? Im a liberal lefty too, and I think its high time to revamp the tax codes so that the loopholes are closed and that all non-profits (religious or no) must abide by the same rules. ), @ Law Prof: Exactly! I think the problem is less than someone might be only delivering sermons than that they are being paid, essentially, a full time salary or a hefty salary and are refusing to do the traditional ministerial/pastoral duties. Its because, not so deep down, they know that they themselves are no more than bloggers; the only difference being that they read some of their blog posts out to an audience on a Sunday morning. Isnt all scripture is inspired by God ad profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness in order to do good works (2 Tim 3:17-8)? So we rarely, if ever, get to hear about them. We minister unto the LORD. One evening, after communion, my husband was strangely silent when we got in the car. Many today are flocking to leadership seminars in order to learn how to fish from successful fishermen sociological pragmatism, pop psychology, new models of ministry, and ad nausea. These graduates then serve the Church. sign a covenant with! Or mainly? They actually have a very limited impact. Because healthy community is missional. I dont believe we are fed on Sunday morning in some special way. extremely disappointing, disillusioning. The best theologians can go off track if left to themselves and their own view of scripture. one person i talked to went to so far as to say we cant allow this, or else our tax-exempt status would be jeopardized. No longer are the artisan bakers needed too costly; standardize the formula and hire those who will not think but just follow the dictates of the formula how to do it. Its soft and glides down the throat kids love it with the crust cut-off. That is simply not a position that exists in the New Testament. If it is only value-added, the world will view us as self-interested and just another organization of created things bent in upon itself. @ Todd Wilhelm: As I think its all going NGO working with the UN and Feds for some of the billions out there. what these guys are doing and see some of the connections. Are you prepared to refute the lies of Cultural Marxism spewed by many of todays leading evangelical pastors and authors? Of course there are many in between, but I continue to be amazed how many people do not put much thought into what they do and say.. our immediate culture is makin this worse. As thoroughly-Domesticated as North Korean Population Units. I sometimes despair at being such a talentless, beached whale of an apology for a wordsmith. Remaining dependent on that sermon as your primary source of scriptural input seems odd too. We made funerals and weddings church events when they never were in Bible times. This gets dicey when one looks at Jesus own descriptions of the judgment, with Himself as the judge, and He spells out what people whom He knows look like in their behavior. ), Calvinism, it comes from John Calvins Institutes Of The Christian Religion; which is simply regurgitated 4th century Augustinian Gnosticism, a false gospel message. I look forward to further comments if you are so inclined, Seulement vous, Jsus peut montrer cette vision de lhomme aveugle! (1)), Spy Have you seen what their next conference is going to be? hows your son doing, bridget? He will be the preaching pastor at McLean. It seems to me that youre all just looking for the perfect church. As far as one being the outgrowth of the other. Im sure they could help. The church has completely lost its relevance. I will be very interested to see how long this lasts. Notes: While Platt will not be able to repeatedly use a handful of go to sermons at his church he will be able to utilize his notes from years of preaching at The Church at Brook Hills., While Platt may not technically be drawing a salary from McLean Bible Church my guess is that in a church of that size there are some wealthy members who are providing some sort of financial renumeration to Platt. Therefore, Who God is and what He has done is paramount for the faith community. He believed, and I also think, that is was part of its success. When I entered the state of the art auditorium, I found myself absorbed in a sea of multiple thousands of attendees at one of the multiple Sunday services. My husband had tears in his eyes. It seems perfectly obvious to me that He wants more when it comes to eternity than just hanging around and thinking pleasant thoughts, so to speak. Mahaney? I hope not. True, sir (if it be proper to call God sir). God is interested in and respects what we think, our initiative, our ideas, our plans, our decisions If a merger is in the works (someone at SBC Today suggested that might be the case and was chided by a writer at SBCVoices for writing it which made me think its true) Ezell seems like the likely candidate. In the year I have attended MBC, I have NEVER known a single person sitting next to me at service. Tree wrote: We worked out a formula to give the Sunday school class church a small donation to pay for our seat and the heating, etc. Naturally, then, they must compete against other bloggers for market-share. I have heard so much drivel from the pulpits over the years that they probably wont even have to use formaldehyde, or whatever, on my body; the drivel will be enough preservative. Dr. Platt would serve as Teaching Pastor, not Senior Pastor, he would not be involved in overall day-to-day leadership in the church, and he would not receive a salary for his role at MBC. But we have some in depth sunday school classes. 14, that will be my last Sunday at Brook Hills, and then well begin to shift totally after that.. But what exactly do these terms mean? 4). God wants to team with us and envigorate the process with his life-giving, explosive self https://fiec.org.uk/events/event/leaders-conference-2017. Yeah, I think I get your point, and I appreciate the response. the title teaching pastor means they do not have to interact with the peasant pew sitters. I wrote to one FIEC church elder who stocks books by Mahaney and he fobbed me off with I am busy at the moment I will look as time permits and that was over a year ago. So then why else? Platt New! I totally disagree with that concept. David Platt has openly talked about the need to recruit and go after 18 to 25 year old students for their ultimate goals and purposes. If God is truly visible in our midst, we will not have to build bridges to the community; they will build them to us to get to God. I have been hearing from a few folks. They are the symptoms of diabetes an epidemic in our generation. He finally harped so much on Radical that my family left Brook Hills after 4 years, spiritually drained and exhausted. What a relief. I bought my house and they promptly jacked up what it supposedly was worth. He clearly could not know everyone by name as our capacity as humanssociologically speakingtaps out at around 150 (if you look at the literature). They also repeat the same series of sermons at the same time each year, and the series are the same ones that youll hear at other Arc churches. Then have an affair and take a sabatical for recovery purposes while your church still pays you. This idea is part of what made SBC so missions and evangelism minded. But does mission swamp the Church? But since we were talking about why hire a teaching pastor who is already employed full-time elsewhere for only the purpose of giving sermons, and okrapod asked why cant pastors and staff be diversified. Personal study is critical, and if a pastor can get the flock to let their fingers do the walking, then he has done a great service. @ ZechZav: I think that people are more comfortable with Jesus loves me (a song) than they are with keep my commandments (a direct quote from the mouth of Jesus) and some folks find it easy to play the two off against each other in order to avoid whatever they want to avoid and take advantage of whatever they want to take advantage of. Thanks! Human nature says yes. ___ But they brought back many well-researched case studies of people who were. God can work with plan A, plan B, plan C, etc. We had not heard of David Platt before he came there, but we have already decided we will be moving on. The real eternal issue before us is not some form of Calvinism, but Christ! My guess is most celebrity preachers do likewise. In many of them, and also non-denoms, they are both shallow AND long. Whenever I feel ashamed to be a Southern Baptist because of the reputation and antics of these snake oil salesmen, I have to remind myself that they are clearly NOT Southern Baptiststhey have only ridden on the coat tails of the SBC to seize fame and fortune. We are disgusted that its gone neo-Cal and SBC. Whenever I feel ashamed to be a Southern Baptist because of the reputation and antics of these snake oil salesmen, I have to remind myself that they are clearly NOT Southern Baptiststhey have only ridden on the coat tails of the SBC to seize fame and fortune. I wrote about it in the post. Full time pastor.TGC chairman. David Platts mission, whether he realizes it or not, is to make MBC a social justice church. http://www.wadeburleson.org/2017/06/the-southern-baptist-international.html. most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. They went to provide medical expertise and other practical support to Nepalese men and women while they preached the gospel. But I know I cant do that forever. When I had (open) abdominal surgery 10 years ago (perforated diverticulitis), it took me a whole month before I could get back to work and seriously restricted diet. One is an outgrowth of the other. He did nothing but travel on so-called mission trips or went to conferences and seem to be on vacation every other month. And because we are made in Gods image and likeness, its not good for us to be alone. He will have no administrative or pastoral duties other than simply preaching on Sunday. ishy wrote: I am sure David Platt is a nice guy. Wow, thats a ridiculous number of roles hes taking on. © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. You cant have it both ways and these special privileges may prove to be a future rationalization for government meddling. And I have also been enriched by being able to participate in some of the missions work at McLean. Cue the choking voice and near tears as he passionately tells his church of all the Nepalese dying without hearing the Gospel. PHD student. injury or illness that affects your vocal cords. I think youve summed it up pretty well. ", My son replied "No, Daddy, but it's a good story!". No liberal lefty here, in fact, not really political at all, Thersites wrote: That probably should have clued me in to the fact that things were unhealthy there. I'm very upfront with my role to my church. My problem with the tax breaks for churches and staff is they dont want government intrusion but then want to keep special exemptions. And the buzz word missional has taken over their thought process. We ought to consider again what we are putting on the LORDs table and to who we are accountable: the hungry souls, and the One who blesses, breaks, and gives. I would hate to see old church buildings have to all be sold because the congregation couldnt afford exorbitant property taxes. As for the public gathering, God promises to be present where two or three are gathered. I hope this clarifies why the preaching of the Word is central. In the circles described here, the same can be said of job-titles ending in pastor; you get the honour and privileges of ministry, without the price and responsibility. But at some point, arent we supposed to grow up into some degree of self-reliance, as far as the scriptures are concerned? an abstract you who is just a part of a mass of faces. In Hebrew, the verb to shepherd literally means to feed. But it is so much easier than getting off our collective duffs and doing our own jobs, huh? I may be reading too much into your comments. the property tax exclusion that no other non-profit enjoys. Sopy, youve been too long on the mushrooms I think. My Comment was Deleted Im afraid for our church. I asked to meet with the pastor and was referred to an intern and then to a lay minister. so, having a pastor think for me is very easy.. For what its worth, I preach somewhere around 10 Sundays a year doing pulpit supply around my area. TWW has long been a safe place for folks of differing views and differing faiths. He may well love all but he has said that not all survive the judgment. My guess is that they are going to start monkeying around with what is being taught. MBC used to meet at Langley High School before building a huge church building. They will know him just as well as his church will know him which is not at all. I sincerely doubt that Platt has the mental acuity you have. Another example is P.J. Reminds me of our former YRR pastor who told us he didnt come here just to serve, serve, serve all the time! Still scratching my head over that one! If I baked you 10 cookies but one had poison would you eat one or just throw the entire batch out? Now that I know what Im withoutYou cant just leave me -Bring Me To Life (1), 501(c)3 calvinesta stealthy church rape'(tm), has found its way as a serious topic of Christian public discussion, showing up in various forms of media: books, scholarly white papers, blogs, internet and radio talk shows, and church podium warnings all around the country. As all were replaced their titles changed with the word pastor not minister. With the IMB and the NAMB and 9Marks and ERLC there, it sure looks like there will be political consolidation in D.C. of what used to be known as the SBC. The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching (5:17). A person who has a stroke, an accident or birth defect may have speech and language problems. But a sermon writing service? I said " E, that's not a true story! sigh. Should it come from the pulpit only? I dont know what triggered you to interpret have to have a man from my text. I do think ministry of the Word takes precedence over pastoral care. He had his family and his oilfield job, and we were either adults or in families with adults. Soon the hospital evidences a growing problem. But maybe thats just me trying to figure out how in the world the Odd Couple ever got together and why Dever sold out what he claims to believe so fervently. Some of the classes taught by laymembers at MBC are outstanding. Theyre a kind of corporate lone ranger Christian (as the saying goes), having abandoned assembling together with anyone else locally, albeit trying to find some kind of belonging somewhere. Second thought is the IMB Presidency is a full-time job which God also called him to and God is not as flakey as David Platt appears to be. Going back to the comments about receiving Communion. I never really made it past the Introduction in the book 9 Marks of a Healthy Church because he did not include prayer in the 9 Marks. He is the author of the New Yo I used to belong to Davids former church in Birmingham and it took me several years to figure out what he was doing. And its the craziest thing ever. I don't think he has a speech impediment. 3. a member of the clergy. I think those who are critical of David and this arrangement with MBC dont understand the church. I dont know Platt. You never spoke a truer word. Abandoning the Arnold Smartarse joke for a moment (! Your words today were very encouraging. While I dont know the names of even regulars, I probably recognize them, nor are we allowed (if we follow the church guidelines) to say names.) Its reductionistic, but I like the Church gathered to worship (edify, exhort, encourage) and be fed; then the Church scattered (respective families, jobs, neighborhoods) to do missions/evangelism. Please let me know so that I dont continue to trigger you or others. In the UK there has been a complete silence from UK church leaders about Mahaney. The upper room in Jerusalem at Pentecost held a whole bunch of people and is unlikely to have been just somebodys parlor. Late coming to this, but I have some issues with property taxes in general and can see why that might be a needed exemption. Whats wrong for you may be right for another believer and vice versa. This money comes to you tax free, as you (unlike the rest of us Americans who dont have pastor or Reverend in front of our names) do not have to pay federal income tax on that portion. What is Jesus gospel? If a pastor is not willing to serve the congregation through hospital visits and preaching funerals, then they are not tending to their flocks. @ Law Prof: In my opinion, the real trick is how much of that stuff do you (generic you) wanna extrapolate out the Bibles way back when and try an make it apply in the here and now? We are in great peril if our skills and talents exceed our spiritual character. i suppose its happening just wish it would go faster. When he was three my son once told a woman in the checkout line that I once threw him like a football. If you had a church in a city that had been owned free and clear for a 100 years it would end up being impossible to run if it wasnt flush with cash. This feeding of the flock is via the Word of God and given out with a piece of oneself. It was an emergency appendectomy, but we got to the hospital fast and it had not ruptured. You are correct if one finds a 501(c)3 church establishment which has all the makings/trappings of being a place where one man is apparently in charge, this is certainly not a true biblical representation of a local body of Christ. I would like to say to all of you. Those things cannot be torn apart and pitted against each other; they are part and parcel of the whole. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8xysVNigCsU, Has MBC been corrupted from the simplicity of Christ ? Authority is vested (Ill go with that) in the offices and those who hold the offices. Of the available 52 weekly Friday morning sermons (church in the UAE is held on Friday, Sunday is the first day of the work week) Folmar spoke at exactly half of them 26. 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